Lt-General Nhlanhla Mkhwanazi has testified how Vusimuzi Cat Matlala boasted to a businessman about how Shadrack Sibiya would succeed Lt. General Godfrey Lebeya as the next Hawks Head.
Mkhwanazi adds that the telephone call occurred while Matlala was in prison.
He has concluded Day 2 of his testimony at the Madlanga Commission taking place at the Brigette Mabandla Justice College in Pretoria.